After Connecticut Shooting, Should Snyder Sign Bill Allowing Guns In Schools?
A bill that would allow concealed weapons in Michigan schools heads toward Gov. Snyder's desk. In light of Friday's shooting at a Connecticut elementary school, what do you think Snyder should do?
Should Michigan's governor sign a bill that would allow people to carry concealed weapons in schools?
That's the question many in Michigan are asking as legislation heads toward Gov. Rick Snyder's desk that would allow gun owners with concealed weapon permits to carry their gun in schools, daycares, hospitals or public arenas if they receive extra training.
The bill passed the Senate in late November and was approved by the House earlier this week. According to MLive, the bill is now awaiting Snyder's signature though according to Click On Detroit, Snyder said Friday that he isn't rushing into signing the bill but plans on taking a week to review and finish the language.
The issue of guns in schools was thrust into the national spotlight again Friday after a gunman in Newtown, CT opened fire at an elementary school, killing at least 27, including 20 children.
Administrators at Birmingham Public Schools had to deal with the issue of guns in schools first hand after a parent brought a gun into a Birmingham elementary school while picking up his child.
According to Birmingham's Deputy Superintendent for Instruction Paul DeAngelis, Birmingham's position on guns is simple: "there is no place for guns in schools."
While nothing happened during the incident that occurred at an undisclosed elementary school in early October — district spokeswoman Marcia Wilkinson said no charges were filed nor has there been any move toward litigation — the parent was primanded by the Birmingham Board of Education.
A note from the school board said the man was in violation of School Board Policy 7217 — which prohibits anyone from carrying a gun on school property, with several exceptions — and should he do it again, he could be banned from school property.
"I want people to feel safe," DeAngelis told Patch earlier this month. "Our fear will always be weapons in schools."
While schools and school property are on the list of Michigan's Pistol-Free Areas," according to MCL 28.425o, concealed carry on school property is a murky area in federal and state law.
In a Nov. 2 statement from Clark Hill, PLLC — the law firm representing Birmingham Public Schools — the firm's attorneys noted that while schools are listed as a prohibited area for firearms, this prohibition "does not apply to individuals licensed by Michigan or another state to carry a concealed weapon."
On Birmingham Patch, many readers argued that responsible gun owners being able to carry their weapons is a deterrent that prevents tragedy.
"Not even anti-gunners are stupid enough to believe that "No Guns Allowed" signs will prevent mass murdering criminals from bringing guns on campus and slaughtering as many children as they like," Sean Sorrentino writes on Dec. 15.
What do you think of the legislation? Should the governor sign it?
Liz
4:47 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
No. If more people carrying guns in more places is the answer then why is it there are more individuals with guns and the number of deaths gone up? More people carrying guns has not decreased the number of people being killed by gunshot wounds.
Randy Block
7:55 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
No! SB 59 would allow a person with a concealed weapon permit to bring a loaded handgun not only into a school, but also into a day care center, a place of worship, a bar, a college classroom, a hospital or a sports arena. Recently, the Governor received 7,700 signatures on petitions of people who oppose SB 59. Clergy have strongly testified against it. Last April, a survey of likely registered voters revealed that 72% of Michigan residents opposed this bill. Even 53% of among people who had concealed weapons permits opposed this bill. Firearms are a leading cause of accidental death among children 14 or younger. This bill is being supported by extremist fringe legisltors who are willing to risk the lives of Michigan children and families for the sake of their misguided allegiance to the NRA.
Jayne Hamilton
9:50 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
No! This legislation is not what Michigan wants. Randy's statistics are right. Let the people be heard. We cannot be held hostage by legislators whose fortunes turn on how well they're funded by the NRA.
connor kelley
11:27 pm on Friday, December 14, 2012
YES!!!!! If the only person who has the weapon is a properly trained individual i dont see the problem i see the solution.
Harriet Brown
1:48 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
I can easily envision another scenario - an oddly dressed parent enters the school to speak with the principal. The secretary panics, pulls out her gun (which she's been properly trained to use), and ends the life of another innocent.
Green Pus
1:33 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Yes. What happened in CT changes nothing. it's just more proof that "gun-free zones" are nothing more than victim-rich zones. There's no guarantee of course that an armed citizen could prevent what happened, but if there's any chance at all that someone could save my helpless child sitting in that classroom, then yes, I want that option.
PH
8:42 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
What do I think he should do? NOT sign the bill into law.
What do I think that he will do? Screw things up like he and his special interest groups have been doing all along and he will sign it. Such a nerd.
Harriet Brown
1:41 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Agreed, except that Snyder is much more dangerous than a nerd.
Martina Panian
10:44 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Sad, sad, sad,...... Used to be the biggest worry was a teenage pregnancy..... Now its how to protect kids from a shootout in school.... Weve all got the latest hightech gadgets to make life easier.... But is it really better??? Did u ever think back when only doctors and lawyers had pagers and phones that one day every member in the family would have a smart phone? Will we say the same about police and guns..... Will that someday end up on your kids christmas list?
HL
11:40 am on Saturday, December 15, 2012
There are nothing but examples of tempers flairing into gunfire when one or more armed people are dissatisfied. There are far more instances of citizen weapons outside of a home causing nothing but more danger than ever preventing crime. Ironically, those who feel compelled to carry guns, who are not protection professionals, tend to have poorer communication skills and a greater propensity for violence. So there's no scenario where the public will be comforted by the sight of any citizen wielding a weapon.
Jim Dundas
12:51 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
NO As a school counselor teacher and administrator. If you need a gun to teach school you should not be teaching..... Better security , more teachers more counselors . 40 parents work up this mourning without a child.... Think about what it would be if you were that parent....... Monday mourning every school in America will be on lock down.. We don't need guns........ We need more teachers we need more adults.... Would you like to teach in a school with everyone including 18 year old students with guns.... It is time for Lansing to pay more attention to the people who voted for them and less on special interest groups....
Harriet Brown
1:38 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
Guns should not be in schools, libraries, public parks, etc. If we're so concerned about being safe, then Snyder should release funds specifically to provide police protection in these areas. We know that will never happen. Our gun culture is choking the life out of our society. Snyder will probably sign the legislation which will be a crime in itself.
Sara Locricchio
1:47 pm on Saturday, December 15, 2012
No. We need more security. Ever try to get in to a major corporation or even decent size office? You need a swipe card to enter or visit a security desk. Why can't schools do this. Guns should NOT be around children.
Candis L.
6:38 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Did any of you people read the article??? It claerly states that anyone with a ccw is allowed to cary a gun into a school. So you can shout No,No, No all you want, its all ready law people.
Patricia
9:04 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
Guns do not belong in schools!!!! Why is it that only in America do we have such an enormously higher percentage of murders than any other country in the world? Do other countries citizens and households own guns to the same extent as we do here in America? Something is so seriously wrong in the American culture on every level.
Jim Dundas
11:22 am on Sunday, December 16, 2012
NO
Kathy
1:49 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
As a teacher, I don't want guns in school & will not carry or use one. I will do everything else I can to protect kids. If I need a gun to be a teacher then I won't be a teacher anymore.
Racer Boy
11:59 pm on Sunday, December 16, 2012
This from CNN:
Leading cause: Car crashes
While deaths from car crashes are down more than 40% during the last decade, they remain the leading cause of unintentional injury death for children.
So, you see, you need to do some homework or folks like Randy Block will simply spout off facts with no basis. BTW: two very brave/foolish unarmed and untrained teachers tried to stop this guy...they died. So, teachers don't want to arm themselves...fine. They can end up just like the two in CT.
Racer Boy
12:08 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Collating gun ownership rates with Centers for Disease Control (CDC) homicide data underscores the above conclusions:
States with the lowest firearms ownership average the highest firearm and non-firearm homicide rates.
As firearms ownership rates increase, homicide rates generally decrease.
States with the highest gun ownership have the lowest firearms homicide rates.
Maureen McCurley
10:01 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
Anything to protect our children from idiots. We trust our children in hands of the school personnels, we can trust them with a gun to protect our babies. This is so heartbreaking, a place we want to be safe and fun for our children. We don't want our children fear school.
Racer Boy
10:50 am on Monday, December 17, 2012
BTW: Guns were banned in the Newtown, CT school...just like administators wanted... thinking in their academic fantasy world that it would prevent violence. You can now plainly see how well that worked out for them. This is a parenting and a mental health issue. NOT a gun issue.